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Jackie Kinder is a an Attorney and Principal at Watters, Wolf, Bub, and Hansmann. She’s a trial lawyer with a track record of success defending individuals and corporations in complex personal injury lawsuits.
She talks to Cynthia about the path to her legal career, which started quite early. She details her many experiences in going to trial, navigating single-motherhood as a top performing professional, and her philosophy on success.
1 – Introduction 00:23
2 – Current Role 01:05
3 – How did you become an attorney 03:05
4 – Why so few women lawyers 06:20
5 – Difference between corporate law and litigation 07:49
6 – Do you think a desire to litigate is innate 13:11
7 – Importance of a supportive partner at home 17:03
8 – What did you do to get the support you needed 18:16
9 – How do we ask for the help we need 21:10
10 – Women always trying to do everything 23:19
11 – Knowing limitations 25:28
12 – Not having to drive to the office 29:21
13 – Were there challenges to navigate as a female? 30:00
14 – How about asking questions to male client 35:36
15 – The psychology of when to be more aggressive on examination 36:50
16 – What are some challenges you faced as a female leader 38:54
17 – Being more approachable 43:30
18 – How do you train your brain to be compassionate 46:38
19 – How did you figure out you wanted to be a litigator? 50:30
20 – Big case that stands out 56:29
21 – Who were some of your great mentors or advisors 1:01:39
22 – How did you learn to adapt as a female in those roles 1:05:14
23 – What it’s like to help young females coming up 1:06:55
24 – What’s it like to become partner at a big firm? 1:07:53
25 – How did the firm breakup come about for you 1:11:03
26 – Last words, put this at the end 1:14:18
27 – Who do you help? 1:15:13
28 – Ending again 1:16:36
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